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sTeamTraen wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:29 pm ... stuff.

Opti wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:40 pm On the path to rejoining?

Opti wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:40 pm On the path to rejoining?

Gfamily wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:22 pm We'll have to work out how we'll manage with our place in France, I won't have a problem because I've got an Irish passport, but MrsG will be subject to the visa requirements.

sTeamTraen wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:52 pm

Gfamily wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:22 pm We'll have to work out how we'll manage with our place in France, I won't have a problem because I've got an Irish passport, but MrsG will be subject to the visa requirements.

For UK tourists there will be no visa requirement to enter France. The UK will be part of the Schengen visa waiver programme, which literally and explicitly means that you don't need a visa.
Plus lots of useful info

Opti wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:05 pm They always moan about how slowly things happen here. That's exactly why we came here.

Bird on a Fire wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:59 am Thanks for these links, chops.

I don't really have much to add. I feel like I'm watching a slow motion car crash. But I guess we'll know within a couple of weeks how stupid it'll be.

Bird on a Fire wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:59 am Thanks for these links, chops.

I don't really have much to add. I feel like I'm watching a slow motion car crash. But I guess we'll know within a couple of weeks how stupid it'll be.

Woodchopper wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:26 am There is still a powerful argument that Johnson will change his positions and go for a deal. If there is massive chaos and job losses the credibility of his government will be destroyed (as it was for the Tories in September 1992 currency crisis). He was elected on the basis that he's get brexit done with his over ready deal.

Little waster wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:12 pm And then to compound it some Ulster Unionist life peer insults the VP-elect.

In his defence Lord Kilclooney went on the internet to tweet using the internet that he had read about the VP on the internet and had been moved to post on the internet a comment about her on the internet. However he couldn’t remember her name so decided on using an inaccurate racist epithet to describe her on the internet. If only there was quick and simple method to look up details about obscure politicians ... possibly involving computers?

In unrelated news, I note that Lord Kilclooney, who I had never even heard until about 30 minutes ago,
has six children, was born in Armagh and is a member of the County Club, because I’m presumably f.cking psychic.

I also note the Lord who’s name I have apparently forgotten so I will just refer to as “That Paddy” has a long history of making racist comments and represented the UUP, a famously bigoted bunch of racist c.nts, for many decades so claims he isn’t a racist look a little hard to support.

UK Cabinet rift puts post-Brexit science collaboration at risk
Britain’s association to Horizon Europe hangs by a thread amid costs concerns and opposition from senior Cabinet ministers.

The U.K. could fail to associate to the EU’s Horizon Europe research and development scheme after the Brexit transition period amid opposition from senior ministers.

Negotiations over the U.K.’s participation in the €80 billion program, due to run from 2021 to 2027, are stuck on how much Britain would be asked to pay for association versus how much it would receive.

In a letter to the Cabinet Office’s EU exit strategy committee this week, the U.K.’s chief Brexit negotiator David Frost asked Cabinet ministers whether Britain should push for a two-way correction mechanism in ongoing future relationship talks with the EU, according to government officials.

Such a mechanism was originally put forward by biomedical research charity the Wellcome Trust as a way of ensuring the U.K.’s Horizon Europe participation costs could not significantly exceed the value of the grants British researchers might win from the program. The Wellcome Trust hoped it could offer a fair solution to the U.K.’s cost concerns.

Frost’s letter invited the so-called XS committee — which is chaired by Prime Minister Boris Johnson and includes his five most senior secretaries of state plus the attorney general — to reply with their thoughts in writing by the end of last Friday, according to government officials familiar with its content.

But the request has highlighted deep divisions in the Cabinet over whether the U.K. should join Horizon Europe, with at least one prominent Brexiteer on the committee expressing strong reservations about the U.K.’s association to the EU scheme, the officials said.

Other senior government figures have argued that the annual payments Britain would have to make in exchange for association are heavily front loaded, whereas replacement schemes being developed by U.K. ministers would not be — giving the Treasury more financial headroom while it tackles the COVID-19 crisis.

The government has said it is willing to associate to Horizon Europe as long as the EU scheme provides value-for-money. But U.K. officials warn the debate in London is quickly becoming focused on cash flow and ministers’ views on the EU rather than the merits of association, and that overcoming those reservations might require a good deal of political capital from Johnson.

“It’s crunch time,” an official said. “A push for a two-way mechanism may be better than an outright refusal to participate on cost grounds. I am giving it a 25-50 percent chance. Association is still possible, but will require significant political will from No. 10. This feels like a key frontier in the No. 10 vs HMT [Treasury] war.” Neither Downing Street nor the Treasury commented.

The government will reinstate any parts of its international law-breaking Brexit legislation that are removed by the House of Lords, a cabinet minister has vowed.