Scrutable

jimbob wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:15 pm I've never seen someone try so hard to get sacked and fail fo so long.

I'm not sure what Sunak is playing at but it's painful to watch Braverman defying him so happily

Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.

Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.

Better inside peeing out than outside peeing in.

A useful dead cat to distract from other things.

IvanV wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:01 pm
Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.

Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.

Better inside peeing out than outside peeing in.

A useful dead cat to distract from other things.

But she's already inside the tent and pissing there.

Opti wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:23 pm

IvanV wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:01 pm
Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.

Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.

Better inside peeing out than outside peeing in.

A useful dead cat to distract from other things.

But she's already inside the tent and pissing there.

And very helpfully shifting focus away from Labour's splits on the crisis

The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?

IvanV wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:01 pm

jimbob wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:15 pm I've never seen someone try so hard to get sacked and fail fo so long.

I'm not sure what Sunak is playing at but it's painful to watch Braverman defying him so happily

Some potential explanations. Not saying they are right.

Her appointment was part of a back-room deal that brought Sunak to power, and he feels the cost of reneging on it is too large. He needs the head-bangers on-side.

Better inside peeing out than outside peeing in.

A useful dead cat to distract from other things.

It wouldn't be "reneging" on any deal given that Braverman is breaking any possible terms of a deal.

And as Opti is saying she is inside the tent pissing in Sunak's tea.

Tessa K wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?

In this case, not necessarily.

Usually that is someone trying to hold onto their post and their boss thinking that firing her is not what he wants. This is Sunak being stubborn for some reason and Braverman pushing the boundaries until he bows to the inevitable and fires her.

Tessa K wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?

For football managers, yes.

I think it's expected in politics that if you express confidence in someone that they realise they need to pull their head in. I'm not sure if Braverman possesses that degree of rational thought.

Good video by Sangita Myska on LBC

https://youtu.be/4g0ZFhEMwtM?si=V_s4aobygjo_inJ-

Absolutely evisceration of Braverman

And... shes gone.

The lyrics need a little bit of an update but I think it's time to listen to this again

TopBadger wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:54 am And... shes gone.

And never has your signature been more appropriate on a post

So she finally got what she wanted, which was to be sacked. In that way she can sit on the back benches claiming the inevitable Tory loss will be nothing to do with her, in fact she will probably say that they lost because they weren’t cruel enough. She will use that to boost her credentials with the party crazies in a post election leadership bid, advocating even more performative cruelty.

bjn wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:29 am So she finally got what she wanted, which was to be sacked. In that way she can sit on the back benches claiming the inevitable Tory loss will be nothing to do with her, in fact she will probably say that they lost because they weren’t cruel enough. She will use that to boost her credentials with the party crazies in a post election leadership bid, advocating even more performative cruelty.

Yes, looks like positioning to take over what's left of the party after the 2024 Labour landslide.

DC is back... didn't see that one coming.

TopBadger wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:59 am DC is back... didn't see that one coming.

Oh joy, we’ve gone through the bottom of this barrel so we’re looking in the previous one.

Tessa K wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?

Ahem...

TopBadger wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:59 am DC is back... didn't see that one coming.

Yes, Lord Cameron doesn't signal a break from the past.

Sunak is just looking for a reasonably competent and non-bonkers pair of hands to manage foreign policy in the final year before the 2024 Labour landslide.

ETA He's given up, they all have. All that is left to fight for now is another 12 months of all the trappings of office. Being in government is nice.

Tessa K wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:10 am

Tessa K wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?

Ahem...

You called it.

Tessa K wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:10 am

Tessa K wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:15 pm The PM has expressed his confidence in Braverman. That's usually the kiss of death, isn't it?

Ahem...

Well predicted.

James Cleverly is going to have a go at the top spot at some point soon, surely?

Woodchopper wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:10 am

TopBadger wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:59 am DC is back... didn't see that one coming.

Yes, Lord Cameron doesn't signal a break from the past.

Sunak is just looking for a reasonably competent and non-bonkers pair of hands to manage foreign policy in the final year before the 2024 Labour landslide.

ETA He's given up, they all have. All that is left to fight for now is another 12 months of all the trappings of office. Being in government is nice.

Yes

Cameron must be good for turning a few more safe seats into marginals

I'm not convinced Cameron will stay in the job till the election. His recent money grabbing exploits have been so dodgy. And the Boris gang hate him and will gleefully help take him down.

lpm wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:21 am I'm not convinced Cameron will stay in the job till the election. His recent money grabbing exploits have been so dodgy. And the Boris gang hate him and will gleefully help take him down.

Yes, since he resigned as an MP Cameron hasn't had to worry about disclosing any information on his financial affairs. He'll have t do that now, and probably hasn't had time to get rid of all the evidence.

The prospect that Tory infighting will not just continue but possibly get worse and we have another year of this left is so depressing

Grumble wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:05 pm The prospect that Tory infighting will not just continue but possibly get worse and we have another year of this left is so depressing

The country is essentially now a giant tanker, on fire, whilst a group of people fight for control, not realising no one is actually steering as they're so busy fighting.

Well, it seems like it took Cameron five years and a load of terminal barrel-scraping to get his wish:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7639377/d ... ary-bored/

..hopefully the knives-out infighting will cure his boredom until the election

Suella probably thought she had Sunak over a barrel, but the bottom had obviously been scraped out of it.

I kinda hope she unseats him before the election, so can go down in history not just as the only Home Secretary to be sacked from the job within a year, but also the very shortest-lived PM. This may be her plan - her future in Westminster was looking shaky back in February (https://www.indy100.com/politics/suella ... -safe-seat ), back then the Indy was saying:

If she doesn't make it in the next general election, safet[sic] to say she won't be missed by many.

..and that was before she had been sacked as Home Sec. Twice.

Yay! Coffey's gone too!