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Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:49 pm
by Pucksoppet
I confess, I'm a tad disappointed they are naming all the Emergency Hospitals "Nightingale". While I appreciate the historical resonance, it would have been nice if they could have included Mary Seacole, and possibly Rosalind Franklin.
ETA: And possibly, possibly, John Snow and Ignaz Semmelweis
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:50 am
by EACLucifer
Why exactly would we name a hospital after a businesswoman who ran an officers club, however fascinating or impressive?
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:38 am
by Bird on a Fire
Slight understatement of Seacole's role there, I think. AIUI it's pretty well documented that she helped sick and wounded soldiers too.
Franklin would be a good name for a genetics test lab, rather than a hospital. Semmelweis for public disinfection stations in case someone breathes too close, and John Snow for community health interventions.
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:44 am
by EACLucifer
Bird on a Fire wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:38 am
Slight understatement of Seacole's role there, I think. AIUI it's pretty well documented that she helped sick and wounded soldiers too.
She ran an officers club* selling food and drink, and patent remedies*. Her memoirs do mention giving first aid after battles on three occasions, but that she had gone there to sell refreshments
The modern claims made for Mary Seacole are vastly greater than any she made in her memoirs or otherwise, she simply did not have anything resembling the role Florence Nightingale had, and this can be ascertained fairly easily by examining contemporary sources and her own memoirs. Mary Seacole was a fascinating and I think decent person, and in many ways a trailblazer, but not as a nurse. Unfortunately, a narrative has developed that obscures the real Mary Seacole, and implies or downright states a rivalry with Florence Nightingale that simply did not exist.
*This is sometimes incorrectly described as a hospital, but it was only open in the daytime and not at all on Sundays.
**Ones that would almost certainly do more harm than good, but I don't think it would be fair to label her a quack as medical knowledge was radically less then than it is now, and she appears to have thought they would work.
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:21 am
by greyspoke
The
ones in Wales are not being called that, I think they are just being called "hospitals".
ETA for link, and if you read down one is being named a "Rainbow Hospital".
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:23 am
by greyspoke
Confisingly, there is a
Nightingale Hospital.
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:50 am
by tenchboy
Given the timing of their arrival, I thought nightingale most appropriate.
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:08 am
by greyspoke
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:27 am
by headshot
Hopefully they won’t be hit by a nocturnal hurricane.
#coat
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:32 am
by Pucksoppet
EACLucifer wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:44 am
Bird on a Fire wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:38 am
Slight understatement of Seacole's role there, I think. AIUI it's pretty well documented that she helped sick and wounded soldiers too.
She ran an officers club* selling food and drink, and patent remedies*. Her memoirs do mention giving first aid after battles on three occasions, but that she had gone there to sell refreshments
The modern claims made for Mary Seacole are vastly greater than any she made in her memoirs or otherwise, she simply did not have anything resembling the role Florence Nightingale had, and this can be ascertained fairly easily by examining contemporary sources and her own memoirs. Mary Seacole was a fascinating and I think decent person, and in many ways a trailblazer, but not as a nurse. Unfortunately, a narrative has developed that obscures the real Mary Seacole, and implies or downright states a rivalry with Florence Nightingale that simply did not exist.
*This is sometimes incorrectly described as a hospital, but it was only open in the daytime and not at all on Sundays.
**Ones that would almost certainly do more harm than good, but I don't think it would be fair to label her a quack as medical knowledge was radically less then than it is now, and she appears to have thought they would work.
Thank you for that EACL. I have obviously been taken in by modern claims.
The respective Wikipedia articles for comparison are here, as that is the source many people will go to for more information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Nightingale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Seacole
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:37 am
by EACLucifer
Pucksoppet wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:32 am
EACLucifer wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:44 am
Bird on a Fire wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:38 am
Slight understatement of Seacole's role there, I think. AIUI it's pretty well documented that she helped sick and wounded soldiers too.
She ran an officers club* selling food and drink, and patent remedies*. Her memoirs do mention giving first aid after battles on three occasions, but that she had gone there to sell refreshments
The modern claims made for Mary Seacole are vastly greater than any she made in her memoirs or otherwise, she simply did not have anything resembling the role Florence Nightingale had, and this can be ascertained fairly easily by examining contemporary sources and her own memoirs. Mary Seacole was a fascinating and I think decent person, and in many ways a trailblazer, but not as a nurse. Unfortunately, a narrative has developed that obscures the real Mary Seacole, and implies or downright states a rivalry with Florence Nightingale that simply did not exist.
*This is sometimes incorrectly described as a hospital, but it was only open in the daytime and not at all on Sundays.
**Ones that would almost certainly do more harm than good, but I don't think it would be fair to label her a quack as medical knowledge was radically less then than it is now, and she appears to have thought they would work.
Thank you for that EACL. I have obviously been taken in by modern claims.
The respective Wikipedia articles for comparison are here, as that is the source many people will go to for more information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Nightingale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Seacole
I'd suggest this as a source too, for those without the time and energy to go to contemporary ones.
Re: Nightingale Hospitals
Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:23 am
by dccarm
Scotland's is being named after
Louisa Jordan who I had shamefully never heard of until now.