The Andrew fornerly known as ...

[Tessa K]

Stripped of all titles except Prince- will that happen next? Charles could decree it.

Andrew still lives with Fergie (which is odd) in a big royal mansion in Windsor so does the loss of titles make any material difference to his life?

[Gfamily]

Stripped of all titles except Prince- will that happen next? Charles could decree it.

Andrew still lives with Fergie (which is odd) in a big royal mansion in Windsor so does the loss of titles make any material difference to his life?

He may have to get a new set of stationery.

[Tessa K]

Stripped of all titles except Prince- will that happen next? Charles could decree it.

Andrew still lives with Fergie (which is odd) in a big royal mansion in Windsor so does the loss of titles make any material difference to his life?

He may have to get a new set of stationery.

Andrew Windsor Esq

[IvanV]

Stripped of all titles except Prince- will that happen next? Charles could decree it.

I read it would need an act of parliament. Charles did as much as he could without making a big fuss about it.

Andrew was born a prince, at least in a colloquial sense. I'm not aware he was specifically awarded it as a title at any point in time. He previously had the title HRH stripped from him, which is pretty close to turning "Prince" into "prince", a mere fact rather than a title.

He reminds me rather of a distant cousin of mine, who was his rich parent's golden child, a handsome and charming man and similarly caused nothing but trouble. He was eventually declared bankrupt.

Recent editions of the Spitting Image online podcast presented by Prince Harry and Paddington Bear, The Rest is b.llsh.t, list of recent videos on youtube, have some entertaining Andrew bits. As context, Spitting Image are getting sued for daring to present Paddington as an actual Peruvian bear who says things like "Ay caramaba" and enjoys the Peruvian nose-powder. Makes me go all "I'm a Barbie Girl, in a Barbie world...."

[Tessa K]

According to the BBC:

When Prince Andrew was born in 1960, he was automatically a prince as the son of a monarch. This could only be changed if a letters patent - a legal document authorised by the monarch - was to be issued by the King.

[IvanV]

According to the BBC:

When Prince Andrew was born in 1960, he was automatically a prince as the son of a monarch. This could only be changed if a letters patent - a legal document authorised by the monarch - was to be issued by the King.

I misremembered: it is his dukedom that cannot be removed without Act of Parliament. Which is why he was persuaded to agree not to use the title, rather than be removed from it, which would require the embarrassment of formal acts rather than quiet acquiescence.

In relation to Prince, Wikipedia says that Letters Patent removing someone from office can only be issued if the office was granted by Letters Patent in the first place. Removal can alternatively happen by default if another person is appointed to that office, in effect as replacement. But neither seems to apply here. But this is wikipedia. So who to believe?

My prurience leads me to wonder how much money has he got left. He has that enormous house on long-term free lease, but the upkeep can't be cheap. And he has a taste for having servile staff he can order around so that he doesn't have to lift a finger. Can he still afford that? One suspects other expensive tastes too. He got some huge sum for his old house, in some rather smelly deal, which would normally be enough for most people to live the rest of their life in considerable luxury. But then he had to pay out a similarly huge sum to Giuffre. And his cohabitee Fergie has from time to time been wandering around with a begging bowl.

I think for many would like to see him reduced to the circumstances of a commoner, living in a small house, etc. 30-odd years ago, someone once told me that there was a duke who lived in a 3-bed semi or similar. I think that might have been the current Duke of St Albans, at least at some stage earlier in his life. His father the previous duke lost the family fortune by various failed ventures, and retired to France in disgrace. The current Duke qualified as a chartered accountant to earn a living. Maybe he had to live in a modest house earlier in his career.

Curiously, no one has bothered to remove the current Duke of Manchester from his title despite him serving several prison sentences for numerous counts of fraud, burglary, and the like.

[Tessa K]

I wonder how his daughters are reacting. It must be horrible, especially as their mum appears to be sticking by him.

[IvanV]

I wonder how his daughters are reacting. It must be horrible, especially as their mum appears to be sticking by him.

She is also embarrassed by her interactions with Epstein. Perhaps she feels that she is already so disgraced she may as well take what material benefits remaining in his household gives her. Perhaps she also wants to keep an eye on what goes on there, perhaps to ensure that certain others, such as her children, are not at risk.

This (long) article about Epstein's numerous female enablers (Politico) raises somewhat similar questions.